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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:37:00 -
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Yeah this isn't ideal. My prowler warps like a granny in a supermarket since yesterday, and that's with all nav skills at 4 and i-stabs.
Great.
The only thing that sets them apart now is the warp speed, but I bet that'll be next.
Guess we just have to wait and see what the pitchfork wielding mob go for next eh?
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Megan Maynard
Join a corp and have someone protect your butt. You're in a hauler, not a blockade runner. That would be a semi armed ship with more then typical cargo room. YOU ARE IN A HAULER, and non-combat, empire ship. 7 seconds is pretty damn good, but if you are flying alone thru low sec in a hauler you are BEGGING on some sort of sexual level to get popped. (As in you are IN to that sort of thing. WIERD.)
ignorance ftl 
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:24:00 -
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Megan
What people are saying is that these ships are now unable to fill the role they were designed for. As you described so well..a blockade runner should have:
1) Speed. That'll be the bonus to speed from indy skill then.
2)Survivability. Well, blow me..if they don't have boosted shield resists
3)Reduced Cargo. look at that would you, they don't hold as much as your normal indy, because they have been OPTIMISED FOR SPEED.
So,what do you think this is for? Flying round belts in lowsec? Hauling in empire? I doubt very much that anyone who has ever used one of these ships had NPCs in mind somehow.
I've personally found an alternative now, but for the indutrialists who use these things for mins and logistics, there is no other realistic way to get stuff from empire to 0.0 except carriers.
I'm not saying they should be overpowered, but you had a chance in one before, now you don't, so they are down with the T2 transports as pretty much defunct.
Besides, less people will head out of safe space in the conventional way if there is no chance, however small, of surviving. That means less targets for camps and pirates.
Essentially this just removes another element of diversity from the game, surely you agree that's not a good thing, as that is what makes eve so great.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:41:00 -
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For the record, as has been stated, no they were not previously overpowered, and yes, of course it is an unforseen consequence. I'm sure it's something that will get looked into.
If you are suggesting that because someone didn't have an opinion about the nano'd BS that they are not allowed, on your apparent 'authority' to have an opinion on this, then that's ridiculous.
So people overlooked the fact the nerf may affect their ships, it happens. Not everyone *****s the forums or bothers to read the patch notes..therefore they have an invalid opinion?
I normally avoid these forums like the plague, due to the apparent impossibility for someone to make a reasonable point without being flamed, but I happen to fly these ships so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. If I flew or fought nano'd BS's pre patch maybe I would of then too, but I don't.
We all pay the subs, so we are all entitled to a say. If you don't like the thread or topic, I 'politlely' ask you don't feel the need to post in it with an apparent superiority complex.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.24 01:26:00 -
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Megan have you flown a T2 transport before?
No one is asking for a BR to outperform a combat ship. They were fine before, and all anyone is saying, or suggesting, are ways to make them usable as they previoulsy were.
I'm also guessing you don't know much about gate camps, based on your previous suggestion involving a cerberus.
You seem to think that having some kind of agility bonus on these ships somehow makes them invincible, if you ever used one or even ran camps you would know thats not the case at all. As has been stated over and over already, they were never an i-win for camps, any proper camp will stop one no problem.
If you don't think they are for running camps in 0.0, then what exactly are they for?
Oh wait..you already said..for evading tacklers.
Where do you find tacklers?
on gates, perhaps?
do tacklers work alone?
Not usually, and that means what?
Oh yeah...a camp.
Funny thing is you are agreeing in principle about what they are for and what they should do, but then saying they shouldn't be able to do it, topped off with an example of using a command ship to fill the role of a ship already in the game designed for that purpose. Nice one.
If you really can't see that then oh well, I can't be bothered wasting time trying to explain it anymore. Buy your cerb and give it a go. It'll be an expensive lesson.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
You can't have the whole cake people....Maybe your ships were overpowered before the patch, ever think of that?
Join a corp, plain and simple, and you will get into 0.0 eventually if it is worth a damn.
I stated to USE a carrier, as in teamwork, not fly it yourself.......
hahahahahahah..priceless. Well done megan, you have shown you excel at being able to go through other threads, pick out the most common response to noobs by vets and then apply it to a subject you have no idea about.
Comprehension is obviously not your thing, nor is processing information, as you have clearly not read ANYTHING in this topic.
Yeah everyone flies BRs in empire in noob corps, and none of us have 0.0 experience.
I really hope you are trolling because if not you are just making yourself look very, very stupid.
I like the way you have also avoided answering my questions in every subsequent post..is that because you can't answer?
I'm sorry, I've tried to keep it civil, but it really seems to me you're just trying to get yourself some kudos by flaming what you see as a 'whine' thread.
haha well done, you are really, really cool. No, really..
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.28 20:27:00 -
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Bump
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:49:00 -
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bump
It would be cool if a dev could perhaps comment on this. I know you guys are busy, but these do take a long time to train for and are pretty useless these days.
As someone pointed out the BR was also hit by warp to zero (as they were really designed to get to a gate fast and tank a sniper or 2), I know this is here to stay and had to be done along with the nano nerf, but somewhere along the line these ships could do with an overhaul.
If they are going to stay this way well..i guess thats now it goes, but would be nice to know one way or another.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:00:00 -
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this one's for you Megan baby..
Bump 
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.04.24 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Madame Foster
use carriers ffs
Ok yeah, you gonna buy me one?
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:12:00 -
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Last time I used one think I had:
High - Proto cloak
Mids - 2x Invunras (tech 1 or 2) YT overcharged MWD
Lows - I-stab/nano, or sometimes an extra WCS if I thought it
was gonna be an especially nasty trip
Rigs - one mass reduction, one agility.
Obviously sucked cap real fast, but if you weren't out by then it was over anyway.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:36:00 -
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I think that despite most of us managing to keep this thread on pretty good form, we seem to have attracted some of the lowest IQ posts in recently recorded human history.
No Dev response yet, but thats something I guess 
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:43:00 -
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heh you'd think that they would at least roughly still be in the same order after the nerf..being as 'some of the slowest ships flying through space' are able to warp faster than their apparently 'faster' counterparts.
I'm not even gonna mention the tech 1s..
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:12:00 -
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I only tried this after revelatons with a proto cloak and have to say I found the same thing as manni describes, no where near enough distance is covered in a bubble.
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Sen Goku
I only tried this after revelatons with a proto cloak and have to say I found the same thing as manni describes, no where near enough distance is covered in a bubble.
I never, ever, not once said it is a way to get safely out of bubbles. It is a way to achieve instawarp without being lockable.
For bubbles, as said above, the best way to to head back with the MWD without cloaking to the gate where you came from.
Also...prototype cloak...maybe use an improved cloak? It fits just as well and gives you as "tiny" detail 250% the speed as a protype cloak?
Yeah you're right there, my mistake. I haven't tried with an improved. I have heard that it is/was possible to clear a bubble on the inertia using this method though (obviously not with a proto  ).
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